Are there other changes that you would recommend that we make? Sure, it wasn’t full 11th-grade-high-school total state ownership socialism, but excepting those on the reservation aren’t expected to work, it meets this more nuanced definition given the lack of private property and the continental European-style clan inheritance of the few “owned” holdings. Sign me up! And then dividing the water up as it came along to the various fields. Additional ideas and people mentioned in this podcast episode: A few more readings and background resources: Enter your email address to subscribe to our monthly newsletter: Intro. solstice, early spring fishing and hunting of passenger pigeons, and And somehow getting the Federal government to relinquish the trusteeship is important. Dr. Anderson’s critique of the reservations are spot on. Unlike slaves in the southern United States at the same time, Native Americans did not work twelve or fourteen hour days in the missions: they were not literally worked to death. Of course, you know, the Plains Indians in particular had been hunting buffalo, and now you're stuck in one place: you are not going to get much buffalo meat. Terry Anderson: Well, there are over 500 reservations, some of which are quite small. I'm simply describing. Could they leave the Reservation freely? So the army supplied the food. Some are quite large. And even if they were well-organized as a Crow Tribe or a Northern Cheyenne Tribe or a Sioux Tribe--they are just small in that way. And they are generally in urban areas; and they are the ones where there are casinos. And one thing we knew is that Indians were poor, and that somehow they were separated from the rest of society onto these pretty remote places in the rest of Montana, and of course elsewhere in the West. "Raid or Trade: An Economic Model of Indian-White Relations," by Terry Anderson and Fred McChesney. As one California Indian woman said, "When we Indians kill meat we eat it all up. And doing it reservation-by-reservation: 'If you want to stay under this system that exists by this proposed legislation in Canada, your tribe decides to stay under; my tribe decides to get out.' It's the headquarters for the Crow Tribe, and south-central Montana. And, interestingly, what happened on those is when the salmon came up to spawn, they took the small salmon and let the large ones go up to spawn, reckoning that there would be bigger fish later on. I was visiting an Indian on the Flathead Reservation here in Montana and we were taking some Swiss people to visit this person; and I was explaining to the Swiss people that it's likely to be a substandard house, poor care of the land, and so on. Some of these lands now have literally thousands of owners, and they are 160 acres. Russ Roberts: So, let's go from Thanksgiving, the first Thanksgiving--which, we are coming up on the holiday. They were put onto reservations. What a tragedy. So, if you backed away and described this and said, 'Where do you think this is?' And they are a reservation that's doing quite well--because, again, they've managed to get control out of the hands of the Federal government and into the hands of tribal leaders who understand how to create a government that works and how to create enterprise through private ownership. The federal government is bound by treaty to provide housing and medical care. But, 3 million people--that's the number of American Indians--it's not that small a number. Russ Roberts: And so, when I was making the remark about, maybe they are better off in poorer countries with their current lifestyle--the part that, I think it's important to emphasize: There are people who argue that it's better to be poor because you are not susceptible to the evils of Western capitalism and Western materialism. And they start. I just was looking at my book for a couple of the numbers. Federal jurisdiction over the reservations was justified by an argument that the tribes, being “dependent, sovereign nations” needed the protection of the federal government, not just from foreign adversaries but from the states as well. A few years ago, I shared this PERC paper with a Native American fellow and asked for his thoughts and opinions. Can people on reservations--do they get food stamps? The best guess is ‘it depends on a lot of things, but was probably good in some places and bad in other places.’ Stronger conclusions based on civil jurisdiction, and that assign causality specifically to superior credible commitments, seem unwarranted based on available data. neighbors who were in closer contact with Europeans. And we argued that the early part of this history was one of trading. Or is there some that I don't know about? My house is fee simple--meaning, I own it; I can keep people off my property; I can sell it. According to Julio Cesar, who years later recalled his life as a neophyte, "When I was a boy the treatment given to the Indians at the mission was not good at all. While I ultimately agree with his policy conclusions and the screwed up nature of federal trusteeship, I would have found this interview more palatable if he had presented his experience with a bit more humility. And become a part of what holds the social fabric of a tribe or culture together. So, I don't want to be misunderstood when I was saying, 'People on the reservation, obviously, since they stay there, they must be better off.' festivals and ceremonies associated with planting, harvesting, and other lacrosse sticks, and other wood products were made using these Getting them to adjust to working required strict regimentation and often harsh discipline. Indian’s on reservations get more public aid than typical public aid recipients and are provided government run colleges and health services. The federal government is responsible for managing Indian affairs for the benefit of all Indians. So, they basically had no rights. Russ Roberts: Well, I ask because we've talked a lot on this program about poverty outside the United States, in the Third World, so-called Third World. So, this was clearly a cooperate kind of arrangement. The principal Here was an industrial park with streets running in every direction; one building in the middle of it, and it was an electronics firm. In addition, they fished and Land Tenure. So there just--you know, they are really run down. You may have a buffalo herd; and again, some tribes have enough buffalo they have celebrations where they will kill some buffalo and have a feast and do some of their dancing. There are many people just milling around. Is there work? It wasn't delivered by Fed Ex. Yet, there is no conclusive research on whether PL280 has been good or bad for crime. Russ Roberts: One sec, Terry. $1000 of that is 20%. Cherokee men also hunted turtles. I wonder if Dr. Anderson is familiar with the Alaska system of native corporations, which has largely superseded reservations and BIA trusteeship in Alaska. It was on Native American tribes. Of essentially equal importance were the metal-tipped Inner city black culture is devolved and poverty stricken. They had every incentive to take care of it. I am studying the tribe of the Iroquois for a assignment. They lost millions and millions of acres over time. Russ Roberts: Well, some of that wealth is human capital, the entrepreneurial and innovative temperament that is still there but presumably is being handicapped by property rights not being as available as they could be. But these are rituals that are very important. And our hypothesis was that you would get more of a rule of law out of the state courts. As Darrin Old Coyote, the Chairman said, he said, 'We get these checks, and first thing that happens is they run to Billings, Montana, 60 miles away, buy a new car and trash the one they had.' The effectiveness of the criminal justice system, as affected by PL280, is also a candidate for things that influence income growth. Crow Agency is a run-down community with substandard buildings. Russ Roberts: My guest today has been Terry Anderson. How do you explain it?' I just don't have any idea. And so there began to be some potential conflicts over who got to use the land. And it was declared surplus and thus open to homesteading. Terry, thanks for being part of EconTalk. traditional economic activities persist. And you talk to the Lumbees and they are truly capitalists. And I said, 'But aren't we on the Reservation? But think about the art. You are 20 years old. And it's really conditioned how they worry about opening their land up to any kind of ownership by other people to this very day. And you are going to give them things. That's the kind of thing that I think Chief Joseph wanted and I think we owe Native Americans, who deserve the kind of freedoms you and I can enjoy. The Nov. 11 episode of the podcast Free Thoughts that many of your listeners may be familiar with featured an interview with Naomi Schaefer Riley, whose book “The New Trail of Tears” should be one of your links. They didn't have everything that the West had. They kept turkeys. Most of the tribes on the East were sedentary. What's the nature of the economy? And this reflects the kind of investment that had to go into producing these pieces of personal property. Are people on the reservations leading "traditional lives"--meaning lifestyles and economic activity similar to what their ancestors did out of devotion, love? You are just thankful you made it across the ocean. And yet they have trouble developing their coal, for two reasons. I was recently on the Fort Peck Reservation in northeastern Montana: 2.1 million acres. Hello, and thanks for making this it helped me a lot by moving on by the facts you put in this cause imworking on something for school and im reshearching and this helped me good.

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